Go long

Hey, look, another post about knives! Does this thing have a fast-forward button?

I want to talk about why you should try a longer knife, but in order to do that, I need to talk about santokus first.

You know the santoku. It’s Rachael Ray’s knife. It doesn’t have quite the buzz it did a few years ago, but it’s still a hugely popular choice in American kitchens.

Why is this? I think it’s more than just a fad. A cook who switches from a more traditional American kitchen knife (such as a German chef’s knife or a Chicago Cutlery utility knife) to a santoku will notice several differences right away, not counting the orange handle:

1. **The santoku is light.** I mean, sure, a seven-inch santoku is going to be lighter than an eight-inch chef’s knife. But santokus are made thinner in general; a seven-inch santoku is lighter than even a six-inch German chef’s knife. Santokus also don’t have the heavy [finger guard](https://www.rootsandgrubs.com/2008/12/07/hanging-with-the-edge/) found on many German knives.

2. **The santoku is sharp.** It’s sharp because it just replaced a dull knife that was probably never sharpened, but also because santokus tend to be sharpened differently. I don’t want to cause high school geometry flashbacks, but basically, santokus tend to be sharpened at a more acute angle than Western chef’s knives. Think of a the top corner of a tall, skinny, pointy triangle versus the top of a squatter, wider triangle.

3. **The santoku is less likely to leave food sliced partway through.** The blade of a santoku has less *belly* than that of a Western chef’s knife. More of it makes contact with the cutting board at one time, because it’s less curved and more straight. Having tried both, there’s just no contest: flatter is better.

4. **The santoku has those funny indentations on the blade.** Not all santokus have these, but most do. These things don’t do anything. They don’t prevent food from sticking to the side of the knife. Sorry.

Wow, the santoku really has a lot going for it. Let’s check the chart.

| |Chef’s knife|Santoku|
|————|————|——-|
|Weight |Heavy |**Light**|
|Bolster |Full |**Partial**|
|Edge shape |More curved |**More flat**|
|Edge angle |Obtuse |**Acute**|

Having observed all of these advantages, I went ahead and bought myself a fancy, expensive santoku. It looked fabulous, it was comfortable in the hand, and it was wicked sharp. And after three weeks, I was totally fed up with it and sold it.

Why? It was too short. For some jobs, six-and-a-half inches of steel is just fine: stripping corn off the cob, cutting up a red pepper, and so on. But for others–shredding a big bunch of chard, slicing an extra-large onion, cutting meat for stew–it’s like ladling out soup with a teaspoon. Yeah, you *can* do it, but why?

So what I really wanted was something with the very real advantages of the santoku, with enough length to do big jobs, but light and nimble enough not to feel like driving a tank on small jobs. Let’s turn back to the chart.

| |Chef’s knife|Mystery knife|Santoku|
|————|————|————-|——-|
|Lightweight |No |Yes |Yes|
|Bolster |Full |Partial |Partial|
|Edge shape |More curved |More flat |More flat|
|Edge angle |Obtuse |Acute |Acute|
|Length |Long |**Long** |Short|

I wanted that mystery knife. If you’ve read my knife column on Culinate, you already know that it exists and it’s called a *gyuto.*

To reinterate, the gyuto has all advantages of the santoku, plus length. A big knife is not (just) a poseurish manly-man thing. It makes cooking easier in so many ways. It makes a great meat-slicing knife (I can finally produce paper-thin slices of salami). It can decimate a big cabbage in no time.

The fact that gyutos tend to be thin and light means you have a choice when you buy your first one. You can buy the same size of knife you already use and enjoy the light weight and other cool features. This was what I did initially.

Or you can take the advice of [Chad Ward](http://www.amazon.com/dp/0061188484/?tag=mamstesgrubshack):

> One of the nicest things about the thinner, lighter gyuto is that you can use more knife for the same weight penalty. For example, an 8-inch European-style chef’s knife weighs about ten ounches. A comparable gyuto weighs between 6 and 6-1/2 ounces. A 10-inch gyuto might weigh a little more than 9 ounces. So you can trade up from an 8-inch chef’s knife to a 10-inch gyuto and get more reach and cutting ability. Or you could go up a little in length to 240mm (a standard size for gyutos, about 9.5 inches), get more reach, *and* reduce the weight hanging off the end of your wrist.

That’s what I ended up doing. The knife I use most often is a [240mm gyuto](http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0014CE4D2/?tag=mamstesgrubshack) that weighs 8.5 ounces. I just chopped up a pound of rhubarb for a [crumble](https://www.rootsandgrubs.com/2006/04/23/be-a-rube/), and the extra length made it a breeze.

Prepping ingredients faster is more fun and expands your repertoire: it puts less mental distance between you and finished dish. (Also, I like to maintain a minimum of physical distance between me and a finished dish.) Practice is one way to get faster. A longer knife is another.

Nothing in life is all upside, however, and there are two problems with gyutos. First, there’s the the one identified by reader Thom the first time I mentioned I was considering buying one: “Addiction to gyuto is very expensive. Very, very expensive and only gets worse.” This is true. I currently own three gyutos. One of them, I should mention, is that same 240mm size and weighs *4.5 ounces.* That’s, like, lighter than a hamburger. I actually prefer the heavier knife, but if you want a crazy razor blade like that, they’re out there.

The second problem is maintenance. I’m about five months into learning to sharpen, and I’m just starting to get pretty good. I have cut myself many times, and I’ve spent a lot of money on sharpening supplies. I don’t think most people, even really dedicated home cooks, are going to want to go down this road. In Seattle, luckily, we have [Epicurean Edge](http://epicedge.com/), where Daniel O’Malley sharpens Japanese knives with amazing skill at a reasonable price. The trouble is, there aren’t a lot of O’Malleys. There’s a [guy in Philadelphia](http://japaneseknifesharpening.com/) and [another in New York](http://korin.com/Our-Services). And…well, that’s about it. If you buy a gyuto, sooner or later you’re going to have to send it to one of these guys or do it yourself. (In fact, some gyutos are sold *unsharpened,* on the assumption that *of course* you’re going to sharpen your own knives.)

One other idea: if you’re on a first-name basis with your favorite local chefs (I’m going to bet this describes, oh, several dozen of my readers), ask them whether they use Japanese knives and where they get them sharpened. Gyutos are really popular among professional cooks.

If you do go the mail-in route, either save the original box from your knife or invest in [one of these](http://www.cutleryandmore.com/details.asp?SKU=14441).

Finally, a word about Shun knives, the best known name in Japanese cutlery. I’m going to roll out the chart one more time to explain why I don’t recommend them.

| |Gyuto |Shun chef’s knife |
|————|————|——————-|
|Lightweight |Yes |Fairly |
|Bolster |Partial |Partial |
|Edge shape |More flat |More curved |
|Edge angle |Acute |Acute |

The Shuns are something of an east-west hybrid, like Ming Tsai. They are high quality knives that look great. But they’re expensive, heavier than the average gyuto, and have a blade with more belly, a design decision I really don’t understand. (The flat belly of a gyuto, if you’re wondering, does not preclude chopping herbs by rocking the blade up and down.) I think my [Togiharu gyuto](http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0014CE4D2/?tag=mamstesgrubshack) is far superior to the Shun, and it costs half as much. Admittedly, it doesn’t look as cool.

Phew! I’m going to tuck into this rhubarb crumble now.

12 thoughts on “Go long

  1. Lola

    It seems odd to me to compare Shun’s 8″ European style Chef’s Knife to a Gyuto. If you are speaking of traditional Japanese knives, why not compare their more traditional Pro line to the Gyuto, or even their mid-level Wasabi line? My opinion is that you are comparing apples and oranges…

  2. mamster Post author

    Lola, a gyuto isn’t a traditional single-bevel Japanese knife; it’s a Western-style knife, based on the French chef’s knife. The only reason you wouldn’t called the Shun a gyuto is the shape of the blade, and even there, it’s not that different.

  3. chris

    This is off-topic but Amazon just emailed that Hungry Monkey just shipped. Can’t wait!

    (Sorry, wasn’t sure where else to post this. Interesting about the knives, but my bottom-of-the-line Henkels have nothing to add to this thread.)

  4. mamster Post author

    That’s fine. I’m going to post today that it’s now shipping; I just need to figure out who all has it in stock.

  5. matt wright

    you sir are a big knife geek, and that is completely fine by me! Great article, I have learnt a lot, and feel like a pillock for buying a Shun! never again! you have saved me money, and I like that. You might as well have started me on a rather expensive hobby, which Danika might well not like…

  6. mamster Post author

    Well, Matt, I hope I was clear that I don’t dislike the Shun–the quality is high, it looks great, and if you like it, there’s no problem. It’s just that if someone came to me and said, “I have $120 to spend on a chef’s knife; what should I get?” Shun wouldn’t be at the top of my list.

  7. Leisureguy

    If someone does get a Japanese knife (and I love my gyuto and my petty knife), the site JapaneseKnifeSharpening will come in handy. As you point out, the bevel angle for Japanese knives is very different from Western knives.

    I have one that’s stainless and another that’s stainless-clad carbon steel, exposing only the edge of the carbon steel. (So not so much discoloration of the blade.)

  8. Kim

    Hey, my Togiharu santoku arrived the other day; it’s a revelation. (For one thing, it’s sharper than any knife I’ve ever used.) It’s short, but I’m thrilled with it.

    Speaking of sharp: Congratulations on the Hungry Monkey business. (Sorry.) I hope it sells like blazes.

  9. mamster Post author

    Thanks, Kim. You asked me specifically about chopping a lot of vegetables, as I recall, and it’s going to be great for that.

    Leisureguy, I did link to JKS, albeit subtly. Highly recommended.

  10. mamster Post author

    Oh, also, Kim, I’d be happy to sharpen that for you any time you feel like coming to Seattle armed.

  11. Karyn

    Very interesting to find out the science behind the irritation I’ve had with some knives!

    I do want to say that the santoku has made the majority of knife-tasks easier for me because of its shortness. I myself am short and have small hands, so the shorter handle and blade make big difference. My old chefs knife would require some weird arm movements for proper leverage. I just have a lot more control. I agree that larger veggies require some creativity, but I still usually stick with the santoku.

  12. mamster Post author

    Glad I could help, Karyn. I would never try to convince anyone to give up a knife that makes them happy. I mean, unless it made them really happy and I was trying to convince them to give to me.

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